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Hyzenthlay
Very Important Zotter
Re: [106] Death Note
Johan, is it just my imagination or have you changed your opinions a lot over the years??  Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just seem to remember reading a lot of posts by you bashing your past self.
Anyway, as for my opinion on Death Note, I thought it was okay. The premise was interesting, but there were things about it that bothered me, on top of being one of the most assuming and pretentious anime I have ever seen (right up there with Monster, which not only takes the pretension cake, but bashes you over the head with it).
Whenever Ryuk or any other Shinigami appeared I couldn't help but think they just looked silly. Also, there were other moments when just regular human characters appeared and did something or made some sort of facial expression that I knew wasn't supposed to be funny, but was anyway. That is never good when any show has unintentional humor as it diminishes the whole thing, especially when it's trying to be a no-nonsense drama. I also took issue with L, in that I didn't find him to be believable at all. It was like watching one of those cheesy network medical/crime dramas when someone magically solves the cases with little to no evidence like some sort of all-knowing god.
Despite this, I found the show to be pretty decent. It makes you think a bit but I don't think it deserves quite as much praise as it has garnered over the years. It's a unique show, but I think the angsty Hot Topic kids hold it up a little too high in part due to its gothic tone, I'd imagine. Not to mention the yaoi undertones... wait, the more I think about it, the more its popularity starts to make sense.
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Mike
Rank: Key Animator
Re: [106] Death Note
Well I loved this show. In my opinion it was exactly what it was hyped up to be. I enjoyed it because it was incredibly suspenseful, unique, engaging and it was very intelligent. I like the show was very engaging. I cared about the characters, things that happened on the screen mattered (to me at least). I liked how it challenged me, both mentally and morally. I had to think about everything, and I often wondered what exactly was "right" and what I felt was immoral, etc. The best part of the series is the sheer thrill and excitement one obtains from watching the show. It's intense, dramatic and incredbly suspenseful. In my opinion this is one of the best suspense-thrillers ever made, up there with Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo . And yes the concept in and of it's self is just brilliant. I never heard of anything like this before; it's a great premise.
And as for the production values, I found them to be mind-blowing. Top of the line animation, amazingly detailed and beautiful artwork, and breathtaking background music.
I didn't think the show was pretentious.  I've heard a few different criticisms of the show, but that's the first time I heard that one. Well whatever, everyone sees these types of shows differently I guess.
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Johan
Very Important Zotter
Re: [106] Death Note
Hyzenthlay wrote:Johan, is it just my imagination or have you changed your opinions a lot over the years?? Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just seem to remember reading a lot of posts by you bashing your past self.
Not sure what you mean by that. Theres only a few shows that I used to like a lot that I don't like as much anymore, like Naruto and Inu Yasha.
Hyzenthlay wrote:I also took issue with L, in that I didn't find him to be believable at all. It was like watching one of those cheesy network medical/crime dramas when someone magically solves the cases with little to no evidence like some sort of all-knowing god.
That was another thing that bothered me. It became so predictable(and boring). Every time Light did something or came up with an idea, I was like "Ugh, L is gonna figure it out...again."
Hyzenthlay wrote:The premise was interesting, but there were things about it that bothered me, on top of being one of the most assuming and pretentious anime I have ever seen (right up there with Monster, which not only takes the pretension cake, but bashes you over the head with it).
What does that mean?
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Hyzenthlay
Very Important Zotter
Re: [106] Death Note
Johan wrote:What does that mean?
It means that Monster is the 2nd most pretentious anime I have ever seen behind Evangelion, and on top of that it beats you over the head with its themes (after thinking about it a bit after posting I came to the conclusion that NGE was more so). I'm not saying Monster is a bad anime, in fact I thought it was pretty good (likewise, Evangelion is one of my favorite anime series of all time), it's just one of the main issues I took with it.
I'm not trying to troll or anything because I know you like the show a lot, I just threw that in there because I was reminded of it while posting.
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Hyzenthlay
Very Important Zotter
Re: [106] Death Note
Johan wrote:Oh, what I meant was what does pretentious mean?  What does it mean when an Anime is pretentious?
Oh sorry! I misunderstood you.
Pretentious can sort of mean different things to different people, but generally, IMO, pretentious anime are those that think quite highly of themselves, or take themselves a little too seriously. A pretentious anime may try too hard to deliver a meaningful message or be heavy-handed in the delivery of the message (in other words, beating you over the head).
For example, anime such as Evangelion and Ergo Proxy both have this philosophy-laden, melodramatic belief that they have something very important to say, which they might, but it doesn't make it any less obnoxious, especially when you have to pick up a philosophy book after the ending to wrap your brain around all the ranting and elitist jargon.
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I didn't know there was a third movie out as well? oh my I need to see it!
